Shway Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 Yea but its also very stupid to reference one game where he didn't score, when he's on a rate of .75 goals a game or a goal every other game. He's not a great comparison at all for that analogy. International soccer doesn't allow for these granular stats, specifically for attackers. If you're not creating chances, or scoring goals at a respectable rates you will be overlooked/questioned as to your current value to the nation. Club soccer sees things in a different light, which typically bubbles down to the investment. Where as International ball is what are you doing now, and how have you done when you were in the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spitfire Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Shway said: Yea but its also very stupid to reference one game where he didn't score, when he's on a rate of .75 goals a game or a goal every other game. He's not a great comparison at all for that analogy. International soccer doesn't allow for these granular stats, specifically for attackers. If you're not creating chances, or scoring goals at a respectable rates you will be overlooked/questioned as to your current value to the nation. Club soccer sees things in a different light, which typically bubbles down to the investment. Where as International ball is what are you doing now, and how have you done when you were in the squad. You know what I love about statements like this one above it total takes out the rest of the game. The build up, possession, team shape and individual assignments all the things that lead up to creating that chance to score. Very few goals are scored in a game. That’s a fact and to only talk about players goals and assist is naive. And to think National teams don’t look at those stats is beyond comprehension… you are chosen for the national team based on your club form and what U do for the national team when u get there… the OBV takes into account all that a player does on a pitch leading up to a goal what they do off the ball and in and out of possession. The goal scorer is important very important but the build up is just as important and what each player does without the ball is the real difference here. this part of the thread is not about Liam at all. He needs to do more for the national team (goals and assists wise)and I know he will based on where his form is going it’s not if but when he does. As for XG assist and OBV Don't take my word for it every club in all the top leagues uses Stays Bomb and Wyescout to rate and scout players. Yes they hve eyes on the ground but I can tell u 100% from experience that they follow the stats too….more than people think Jonny is an amazing player who yes scores lots of great goals(thank god) but the other parts of his game that we saw vs the US are why he will be a top top player at the highest level that I’m sure off Edited March 4, 2022 by spitfire Northvansteve, baulderdash77, lowlander and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spitfire Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 (edited) And just another note if goals and assists were all that mattered then Messi and Ronaldo arguably the best goal scorers in history would have won a World Cup … the difference is at the national team neither of those players have the OBV and xg assists around them that’s they have with them at their clubs… Edited March 4, 2022 by spitfire baulderdash77, JB1515 and johnyb 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
An Observer Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 3 hours ago, spitfire said: You know what I love about statements like this one above it total takes out the rest of the game. The build up, possession, team shape and individual assignments all the things that lead up to creating that chance to score. Very few goals are scored in a game. That’s a fact and to only talk about players goals and assist is naive. And to think National teams don’t look at those stats is beyond comprehension… you are chosen for the national team based on your club form and what U do for the national team when u get there… the OBV takes into account all that a player does on a pitch leading up to a goal what they do off the ball and in and out of possession. The goal scorer is important very important but the build up is just as important and what each player does without the ball is the real difference here. this part of the thread is not about Liam at all. He needs to do more for the national team (goals and assists wise)and I know he will based on where his form is going it’s not if but when he does. As for XG assist and OBV Don't take my word for it every club in all the top leagues uses Stays Bomb and Wyescout to rate and scout players. Yes they hve eyes on the ground but I can tell u 100% from experience that they follow the stats too….more than people think Jonny is an amazing player who yes scores lots of great goals(thank god) but the other parts of his game that we saw vs the US are why he will be a top top player at the highest level that I’m sure off Yeah. That was the approach Canada used years back in hockey. Just put out the 20 highest scoring players and then we would get smoked by the Europeans as they picked a team. gator and lowlander 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 10 hours ago, lenny said: I agree it was one of his best, and it was captured by the stats. Fotmob gave him an 8.1 - the only higher rating on the field was Adekugbe's 8.6. https://www.fotmob.com/match/3613455/matchfacts/canada-vs-usa Also worth noting that although David didn't score, he DID have an assist in that game on Larin's goal. I'm not saying only goals and assists matter, just strengthening the argument that that particular performance's quality was captured by the stats. sebdeserio and Shway 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 14 hours ago, spitfire said: And just another note if goals and assists were all that mattered then Messi and Ronaldo arguably the best goal scorers in history would have won a World Cup … the difference is at the national team neither of those players have the OBV and xg assists around them that’s they have with them at their clubs… Messi would have a WC if Higuain had put in that one chance vs. Germany that he would normally put in. That Argentina was pretty good. Ronaldo won a Eurocup in crutches on the sidelines, hopping around like crazy. I don't think anyone take anything away from a player because a team has limitations, look at George Weah. Which is why you absolutely have to give full credit to those players who were able to not only win but score winners, like Maradona or Zidane (Paolo Rossi). It is an extra mark of greatness. BTW, maybe I am naive, but I think that Barça pays very little attention to OBV and xg, or at least the coaches do not filter through them and signings are not done that way. And I prefer it that way, to be honest, even if it means going dry on the trophies for longer spells. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spitfire Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 What a run and an assist!!! gator, dyslexic nam, narduch and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spitfire Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 https://instagram.com/stories/danielacmillar/2787984605259079948?utm_source=ig_story_item_share&utm_medium=copy_link his missus ig story of the run dyslexic nam, Approve My Account Pls, toontownman and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowlander Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 29 minutes ago, spitfire said: What a run and an assist!!! I was coming to post the same info - absolutely superb run, beat three defenders on the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frmr Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 Anyone have a non-IG vid? Won't let me view it without an account. I got rid of all my Zuck accounts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spitfire Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 (edited) Edited March 6, 2022 by spitfire Kadenge, Strait Red, Macksam and 10 others 7 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOcanadafan Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 With Davies still most likely out, Laryea not playing, and Liam ballin’ at the moment, I’m hoping we see him featured more in these 3 remaining games. An Observer, sose, gator and 7 others 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spitfire Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 (edited) After recovering from a small stomach bug Liams starts vs Marseille Edited March 10, 2022 by spitfire WestHamCanadianinOxford, Obinna, Strait Red and 8 others 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spitfire Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Halftime Basel down 1-0 dodgy penalty…Basel struggling against a very good strong team. Liam is man Marking Guendouzzi (on loan from Arsenal) 24 hrs after having food poisoning… not seeing much of the ball going forward but staying in shape…real test of Basels metal here… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spitfire Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 A topic of one lol!! Liam played 70 mins in a 2-1 loss a late goal keeps them in the tie for the return leg. Me and the misses will be in Basel for the game!! narduch, nolando, johnyb and 14 others 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nolando Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 5 hours ago, spitfire said: A topic of one lol!! Liam played 70 mins in a 2-1 loss a late goal keeps them in the tie for the return leg. Me and the misses will be in Basel for the game!! My wife would kill me if I called her one of my misses. kacbru, The Real Marc, MtlMario and 4 others 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spitfire Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 (edited) Liam was instrumental in the 2-0 win Vs Servette taking FC Basel into 2nd place. Played the last 45(still recovering from the stomach bug last week) was 0-0 at halftime) and was ripping the back line his run lead to the first goal!! Had 4 keys passes in the game Building confidence every week … wish someone would do one of those clips from the game complication’s on Liam one day… (like the one they do on TJ on Twitter)!! Bring on Marseille Thursday!! Edited March 13, 2022 by spitfire frmr, Shortdutchcanuck, sebdeserio and 17 others 18 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 Someone posted an upload of the entire game, though the image quality is not great. Edgewater17 and spitfire 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spitfire Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Liam Starts huge game tonight!! Approve My Account Pls, dyslexic nam, JamboAl and 13 others 15 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spitfire Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 FC Basel bow out of the Europa Conference league a really hard fought contest. Basel take the lead and concede late but a great effort against a really good side!! Ivan, maccaliam, Edgewater17 and 12 others 13 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 I watched long parts, at the half and end of watching Barça, who were on same time (I can roll back live broadcasts to where I want). But saw the goals and long phases. It was a tough match, with not a lot of flow. Basel worked very hard, with a lot of young players and perhaps lacking some of the guys who have left and maybe needing a few other veterans to help manage. They have to think better about being a club nuturing younger talent, that only works if you have 5-6 guys who are stalwarts and help hold the team together that you are not going to sell on. If you dismantle a team you can't compete on the level you need to show off what you have. You could see they were younger and less experienced than OM but the talent is there--Tavares, a young LB on loan from Benfica, nice player--and they handled the game well. They had little space to work and Liam was well covered, often closed in quickly and up high. He put in a very serious shift, as we say, as did pretty well the whole team. He was the only attacking player not to be subbed out. OM is physical and better honed and seemed to be a touch ahead, but Basel scratched themselves into the game admirably after their keeper made a nice stop on a penalty first half. Not surprised by the result but to keep it close, and then only lose late when you were pushing forward, that was understandable. Technically they never were out of this knock-out until the dying minutes of stoppage time. Xavier., Trois Reds, lowlander and 4 others 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pod818 Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 (edited) Millar scores a beautiful header against GC Zurich Edited March 20, 2022 by pod818 Approve My Account Pls, Kadenge, narduch and 9 others 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pod818 Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 the game is being streamed on the OneFootball App (Free download) as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spitfire Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 9th goal all competitions… narduch, johnyb, CanadaFan123 and 12 others 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 Magnifique! Edgewater17, Norrin Radd, Approve My Account Pls and 18 others 10 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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