finchster Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 Of the CSA guys, how many of them were good, and how many of them were bad. I get the idea that this forum takes on a negative slant toward Hart, but he did give Canada one of its best records over a two year time frame. So was Hart really that bad of a coach? And what about Lenarduzzi, wasn't he both CSA and a good coach? Now that I'm bent on asking questions, I'm curious. How long did they wait to get Osiek? I actually liked Hart and said before the Honduras game that I would keep him on even if we lost because whats the point in getting another unqualified coach? At least it seemed Hart had the players respect. Well after 8-1 that went out the window. As for how long, Robert made a thread about it earlier so it should be easy to find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Bob Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 Hart "had the players respect" and as such catastrophically failed to advance to both the third stage of World Cup qualfiying and out of the group stage of the Gold Cup. He was a Yallop-level failure. Obviously it's not all his fault: we're sadly caught in a generation of players that is both amazingly self-entitled and incompetent, with a few honourable exceptions I won't list for fear of leaving someone out. But Canada could always have done better than the former boss at Halifax King of Donair, and I'm hoping this time they do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 If Honduras can find highly competent coaches like Reinaldo Rueda and Luis Suarez for $US 350K then there's no reason we can't either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJB Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 Hart "had the players respect" and as such catastrophically failed to advance to both the third stage of World Cup qualfiying and out of the group stage of the Gold Cup. He was a Yallop-level failure. Obviously it's not all his fault: we're sadly caught in a generation of players that is both amazingly self-entitled and incompetent, with a few honourable exceptions I won't list for fear of leaving someone out. But Canada could always have done better than the former boss at Halifax King of Donair, and I'm hoping this time they do so. Holger treated the players harshly, and they won the Gold Cup, and never made a World Cup. Yallop was a players coach and they failed miserably, then he bailed. Under Mitchell, the players mutinied, and failed. And under Hart, the players loved him, but then failed badly. Can we stop considering the players? I'm sick of pandering to the players. It doesn't matter what they think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag futbol Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 The fact that the CSA is putting an extended amount of time into hiring a new coach could very well be a good thing. In the business world, the process for hiring new CEOs takes several months, and several interviews, and a lot of review of the applicants. Far too often in sports, and especially in soccer, are managers heads quickly knocked off causing a mad scramble to find a new boss within only a few weeks or days. Abramovic is the classic example, or any elite euro team that has a mildly disappointing major tournament. The fact that the CSA are taking a lot of time (hopefully) implies that they are taking careful consideration of the future of this team. Unfortunately for my point, I cannot back it up. I'm purely speculating; it may just be that there are no good applicants at all. I guess time will tell... I don't have a problem with "careful consideration" but looking at the way the CSA has handled some of it's previous appointments, it looks a lot closer to foot dragging than a methodical process. Correct me if I'm wrong, but in the last 5-10 years or so, the post has been vacant maybe 1/3 of the time. There have also been extended delays in "searching" that ended in hiring internal candidates. Doesn't really line up with a sense of continuity planning or corporate best practices (in my head at least). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nieuwland Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 I don't have a problem with "careful consideration" but looking at the way the CSA has handled some of it's previous appointments, it looks a lot closer to foot dragging than a methodical process. Correct me if I'm wrong, but in the last 5-10 years or so, the post has been vacant maybe 1/3 of the time. There have also been extended delays in "searching" that ended in hiring internal candidates. Doesn't really line up with a sense of continuity planning or corporate best practices (in my head at least). I just looked it up, and the coaching position has been vacant for an extended time following the departure of every coach following Lenarduzzi. That goes back all the way to 1997. If I had to estimate the total time where team Canada didn't have a coach, it would be at least 20%. So yeah, 1/3rd isn't that a bad of a guess. But I did notice that there was a very long time between coaches before hiring Osiek. Hopefully, that is meaningful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 Holger treated the players harshly, and they won the Gold Cup, and never made a World Cup. Yallop was a players coach and they failed miserably, then he bailed. Under Mitchell, the players mutinied, and failed. And under Hart, the players loved him, but then failed badly. Can we stop considering the players? I'm sick of pandering to the players. It doesn't matter what they think. I would actually put the following in this order: 1. Holger 2. Hart 3. Yallop 4. Mitchell. Let us not forget we achieved the highest point total in the semi final round in recent memory under Hart (plus we were without our two most dangerous attackers at different points throughout the campaign) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarnado1555362291 Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 Nice article about the history of internal coaching appointments within the CSA http://www.rednationonline.ca/Articles2012/BacktotheHolger.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 I have questioned the on and off field leadership of many of the veteran players (especially this "golden" generation) so I really think we need to go in the Holger style direction again to be the geniune leader of a core of younger, hungrier guys trying to prove themselves, just like a young Stalteri and others tried to do at the turn of the millenium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fil Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 When will the CSA make a decision? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finchster Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 Nice article about the history of internal coaching appointments within the CSA http://www.rednationonline.ca/Articles2012/BacktotheHolger.aspx Odds on Fonseca becoming mnt coach ? It's so tragic that its.possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ref Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 When will the CSA make a decision? You mean when will the CSA screw up again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Bob Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 Surely better that they take their time and find the right coach. I suspect that, national teams being what they are (massive player turnover, little time together), you can bring national team coaches into a program reasonably late in the day and have success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegan Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 Surely better that they take their time and find the right coach. I suspect that, national teams being what they are (massive player turnover, little time together), you can bring national team coaches into a program reasonably late in the day and have success. Especially with a pool as small as ours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 We should be announcing a squad within the next week or so. Are we just resigned to the fact that it will be Fonseca again and probably Fonseca for the Gold Cup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nolando Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 I read an article out if Edmonton which seemed to hint that Miller would get the nid, but that might have been merely erronious speculation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 I read an article out if Edmonton which seemed to hint that Miller would get the nid, but that might have been merely erronious speculation. From what I have heard, that is not the case. I would be very surprised. We are apparently looking towards warmer climates, express kidnapping and drugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmonte Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 I found the article Nolando was referring to. http://www.edmontonjournal.com/sports/soccer/Canada+soccer+team+returns+Edmonton+play+friendly/8363912/story.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trillium Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 From what I have heard, that is not the case. I would be very surprised. We are apparently looking towards warmer climates, express kidnapping and drugs. Surely not Belize... mmm Honduras ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob.notenboom Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Columbia is what that suggests to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youllneverwalkalone Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Venezuela is the new Colombia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maccaliam Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 ^ Faria is surely out, so, who would you think, YNWA? Richard Páez? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 So are we gonna get this with the squad announcement for Edmonton? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 So are we gonna get this with the squad announcement for Edmonton? Highly unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David C. Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 Colin Miller officially appointed interim coach for the Costa Rica friendly in Edmonton: Colin Miller has been appointed as the Interim Head Coach for Canada’s upcoming Men’s International Friendly against Costa Rica at Commonwealth Stadium in Edmonton, AB on 28 May. Miller has previously acted as Interim Head Coach for the MNT during a spell in 2003/2004 and recently took charge of the team during a January 2013 camp in USA. Canada rebounded from an opening loss to Denmark during the January camp to earn a 0:0 draw away to USA in Houston, TX. “I’m the proudest man in Canada, once again,” said Miller. “We will be hoping to build on the positive way we finished our last camp together with a result away to USA, and also looking to build on the good work that Tony Fonseca did with the team during the recent camp in Qatar.” Miller is also looking forward to leading Canada out in Edmonton, his new hometown, where he is currently Head Coach at NASL side FC Edmonton. “It’s an exciting game for me as it’s in my home city,” said Miller. “During my playing years fans in Edmonton offered tremendous support to the Canada team and we hope they will be out in full force to turn it into ‘Fortress Commonwealth’ on match day.” Fans can purchase tickets to the 28 May friendly (18.00 local kick-off) online at ticketmaster.ca or by phone at 1-855-985-5000 or in person at all Ticketmaster outlets. Tickets are available for as low as $25 (plus applicable fees), and group discounts are available at a reduced rate ranging from 20%-30% off regular price (based on volume). In addition, a special Family Pack of four tickets in the light blue section (see map) will be accessible for $98. For more information on tickets, group discounts and the special Family Pack offer, visit canadasoccer.com/canMNTvCRC or contact marketing@canadasoccer.com. The Canada v Costa Rica match will be televised nationally on all four Sportsnet regional networks (20.00 ET / 17.00 PT). The camp in Edmonton is part of Canada’s continued preparations for the 2013 CONCACAF Gold Cup to take place in USA in July. http://www.canadasoccer.com/miller-appointed-interim-canada-coach-for-costa-rica-friendly--p154015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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