Jason Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 I think it will be really important for Canada to play on this date. I know a lot of players will be back in Europe by this point and the MLS season will be in full swing. But I was thinking that this might be a good time to try out Moncton for a MNT friendly. The European players can connect from London to Halifax direct and there are flights from Newark right into Moncton, so it's not as hard to get to as I originally thought. It's probably no more travel than going to Toronto from Europe. The weather will be good, and what better time to experiment with this location for future games? I see that a lot of teams have already committed to games but I'm sure there is someone out there we can find to play against. Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 Count me in for any game in Moncton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzAndSting Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 Does the CSA have the money for another home game this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegan Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 We definitely need a friendly at this date or I can see us collapsing in September. It will be a quarter year since we've played a match for the next two, that's too long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villus Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 Ya I agree we need to use every option available to play friendlies and keep this group moving in the right direction. Besides we should have more visibility within Canada and probably have a decent chance of selling enough tickets to cover the game, if we can't pull it off at least lets have an away friendly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canada1 Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 Absolutely. Another match is a must especially as it will be against Panama at home. Even a match against a MLS pro club, just something to team build and gets the lads focused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kodiakTFC Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 They have got to play on this date but I'm guessing its an away game in Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzAndSting Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 They have got to play on this date but I'm guessing its an away game in Europe. I think this is what will happen, AKA Cyprus/Turkey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canadianfoot Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 Does the CSA have the money for another home game this year? any idea what the costs are to organise 1game at BMO for example? Rent, security, hotels, travel, etc? We would probably have to pay for the opponents travel and accomodations too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzAndSting Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 I don't know for sure but I've heard from other V's the cost is about $1MIL depending on who Canada is playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJB Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 Our home field is in Toronto, and this is not up for debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 Thanks RJB. No point thinking about any other options or possibilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canadianfoot Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 I don't know for sure but I've heard from other V's the cost is about $1MIL depending on who Canada is playing. ok that is definitely not close to the true amount. Most of the nations that Canada can play, that are within it's range we Do NOT Have to Pay to Play with them. Only accomodations, venue plus travel expenses and insurrance. I think we can say around 250k. - Accomodations say 40rooms(20rooms per team @ 2per room) @ 200$ a nite for 3nts that's 24k - Venue just poked around BC Place website and for Under 30thousands Spectators the Venue, with paramedics, Vancouver Traffic Authority, VPD, etc. would be around 60-80k - Travel Expenses for say 80ppl @ 1500$ per person would cover the costs for sure. that's 120k....... - Insurance should be within 25k I would say so......... .............250k would cover it IMO.........and other venues might be cheaper than in Vancouver........Montreal should be cheaper I think........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzAndSting Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 ok that is definitely not close to the true amount. Most of the nations that Canada can play, that are within it's range we Do NOT Have to Pay to Play with them. Only accomodations, venue plus travel expenses and insurrance. I think we can say around 250k. - Accomodations say 40rooms(20rooms per team @ 2per room) @ 200$ a nite for 3nts that's 24k - Venue just poked around BC Place website and for Under 30thousands Spectators the Venue, with paramedics, Vancouver Traffic Authority, VPD, etc. would be around 60-80k - Travel Expenses for say 80ppl @ 1500$ per person would cover the costs for sure. that's 120k....... - Insurance should be within 25k I would say so......... .............250k would cover it IMO......... I think you're right about how much the bare bones cost to actually play the game but there has to be other expenses as well. Not only that wouldn't a decent opposition like Ecuador or Venezuela command a fee? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section114row20 Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 I've checked the FIFA dates and come up with ten friendlies that I think would make sense. These teams aren't playing and would make good opponents for Canada in preparation for Panama. Ideally this would be a home date and Moncton wouldn't be a bad idea. Neither would Saputo which would be open for business in Montreal. I wouldn't argue against Toronto as a Toronto native, but I would like to see some games played in other places to build support. Grass only though. Bolivia - Might be willing to travel here similar to Ecuador & Peru Colombia - same as Bolivia T&T - A very competitive CONCACAF team who is right around our ranking South Korea - maybe a bit of a stretch, but a great team that moves the ball well New Zealand - Assuming they win OFC this could be a potential future match up El Salvador - Could be a good test before a very similar opponent Guatemala - Same as above Tunisia - We were tentatively scheduled to play them in February and it would still make sense Haiti - A team that showed relatively well in the last round of qualifying North Korea - unlikely, but at least we could guarantee a pro-Canada crowd! Any thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canadianfoot Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 I think you're right about how much the bare bones cost to actually play the game but there has to be other expenses as well. Not only that wouldn't a decent opposition like Ecuador or Venezuela command a fee? I rmbr that Jamaica once asked something like 200k EUROS + from Poland about 4yrs ago for a friendly. Poland laughed at it. Canada shouldn't pay and IF it should be minimal symbolic. Let's not forget there is Brasil A and Brasil D teams for example. I was in Japan with my family when the JFA paid 1million USD to Argentina just to see Messi on the field for example. Canada used to play a lot abroad before also because the home team paid all expenses. But I am pretty sure Austria, Slovakia, some African nations won't want a huge fee. Biggest cost would be promotion. Anything descent would cost 100 000$ at Least. Let say 500 000$ and that should be enought for 1game. Guys if I win the lottery(in excess of 10millions) I will pay the CSA to play a Qualifier in GANDER, Nflnd. I swear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJB Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 Thanks RJB. No point thinking about any other options or possibilities. It seems you were unable to note my tongue in cheek response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 I missed the many clues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted June 10, 2012 Author Share Posted June 10, 2012 ok that is definitely not close to the true amount. Most of the nations that Canada can play, that are within it's range we Do NOT Have to Pay to Play with them. Only accomodations, venue plus travel expenses and insurrance. I think we can say around 250k. - Accomodations say 40rooms(20rooms per team @ 2per room) @ 200$ a nite for 3nts that's 24k - Venue just poked around BC Place website and for Under 30thousands Spectators the Venue, with paramedics, Vancouver Traffic Authority, VPD, etc. would be around 60-80k - Travel Expenses for say 80ppl @ 1500$ per person would cover the costs for sure. that's 120k....... - Insurance should be within 25k I would say so......... .............250k would cover it IMO.........and other venues might be cheaper than in Vancouver........Montreal should be cheaper I think........... These estimates seem somewhat reasonable but we would need to add in a few things like marketing for example. I think this sounds a bit more reasonable than $1 million. Look at it this way, if it really cost $1 million, that would mean that you would have to sell out BMO at an average ticket price of around $50 just to break even. If this was really the cost of hosting a friendly, there would be a lot less of them around the world each FIFA date. Sure big teams would need appearance fees, but I think that those are in the minority. Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzAndSting Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 These estimates seem somewhat reasonable but we would need to add in a few things like marketing for example. I think this sounds a bit more reasonable than $1 million. Look at it this way, if it really cost $1 million, that would mean that you would have to sell out BMO at an average ticket price of around $50 just to break even. If this was really the cost of hosting a friendly, there would be a lot less of them around the world each FIFA date. Sure big teams would need appearance fees, but I think that those are in the minority. Jason I agree that the number is closer to orletafc's number than $1MIL but the CSA would make money not only off ticket sales but also TV rights and ad sales. So we can say that the actual cost to host a game is approximately $500 000 for arguments sake, ticket revenue at about $25 per would be $250 000-$300 000 and in stadium advertising would probably be about $25 000-$50 000 (a guess). Does anyone have any idea what the CSA could sell the broadcast rights for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted June 11, 2012 Author Share Posted June 11, 2012 I agree that the number is closer to orletafc's number than $1MIL but the CSA would make money not only off ticket sales but also TV rights and ad sales. So we can say that the actual cost to host a game is approximately $500 000 for arguments sake, ticket revenue at about $25 per would be $250 000-$300 000 and in stadium advertising would probably be about $25 000-$50 000 (a guess). Does anyone have any idea what the CSA could sell the broadcast rights for? You make a good point about the ad sales and TV rights, but I would suggest that both of those would amount to relatively small number compared to ticket sales. I know that the CSA has a broadcast deal with Sportsnet, and I don't know how it works, but I doubt adding in a friendly would result in a big payout by Sportsnet beyond what they already pay for rights within the deal. As far as sponsors, I would think it's similar - Amway for example probably have signed longer term deals with the CSA stating that they will get signage at any games hosted in Canada over the life of their sponsorship deal. It would not make sense to go to Amway for example and say, "Thanks for being a great corporate sponsor and we already have a deal in place with you for sponsorship, but we're holding another friendly and if you want your signs up, write us another cheque." So all of the money you would generate for ads at a friendly would be either new sponsorship deals, or one time only ad signs, which may amount to a few bucks but minute compared to ticket sales. Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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