tovan Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 Could this be the solution to the turf question at BC Place? http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/localnews/cowboysstadium/stories/120308dnmetcowboysturf.2480de09.html Mexico and Haiti played a 2009 Gold Cup quarter finals match on the surface so it can be FIFA approved http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/home/permalink/?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20090721006060&newsLang=en Installation: http://www.dallascowboysturf.com/progress_archive.php More pics (scroll to bottom) http://www.shaggybevo.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=41358&highlight=&sid=9fcb092737ca42da6f0933e2b43b0a7c Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Impact Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 quote:Originally posted by tovan Could this be the solution to the turf question at BC Place? http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/localnews/cowboysstadium/stories/120308dnmetcowboysturf.2480de09.html Mexico and Haiti played a 2009 Gold Cup quarter finals match on the surface so it can be FIFA approved http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/home/permalink/?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20090721006060&newsLang=en Installation: http://www.dallascowboysturf.com/progress_archive.php More pics (scroll to bottom) http://www.shaggybevo.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=41358&highlight=&sid=9fcb092737ca42da6f0933e2b43b0a7c Do it right from the get go, and go with a natural playing surface. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piltdownman Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 Problem is they hope to use BC Place for 300 dates a year. Even if they put them on plates and bring in and out, Real grass simply isn't going to work. Don't get me wrong I would love natural grass, but I can't see it happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 Half a billion dollars is not being spent on BC Place renos for the sake of 20 MLS games and 18 CFL games or whatever the real numbers are. The big money comes from all the other non-sporting events all of which would kill any attempt to grow natural grass inside the place. There will be no room outdoors to store natural grass pallets either since all available land is slated for condo/office tower development to pay for the renos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuscan Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 I say to not worry about it, and stick out the 5 year contract as best they can. Hopefully by the time it's up, Kerfoot will have gotten the green light for the Waterfront Stadium, and all will be well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianSoccerFan Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 As the Duz mentioned in an earlier ICF podcast, BC place won't have community use trampling the turf into concrete 16 hours a day like we saw at BMO. Qwest Field's superior surface wasn't some magic secret but rather a lack of traffic. BC place should be fine. Not as good as grass but good enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 quote:Originally posted by CanadianSoccerFan Not as good as grass but good enough What $500m can get you for a Canadian soccer stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 Ah, but BC Place is not a soccer specific stadium it's a multi-use facility no matter what Johnny might have dreamed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 That's a bit of a red herring. Most stadiums are multi-use. The Rogers Center, Air Canada Center, Olympic Stadium... they all lead with the same "multi-purpose facility" tagline. They run concerts and events and similar Auto Shows, Home Shows and Craft fairs. Which rendering is the right one - the one with the upper deck or the one without? http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/news/photos/2009/01/09/bc-090109-bc-place-retractable-roof-FULL.jpg http://bcplacestadium.com/images/roofinterior.jpg If that suspended Jumobtron is half as cool as the renderings it will really define the place. Wonder how they plan to refract natural light to make it visible in full sunlight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 It is not a red herring, not one of the other 'multi-use' facilities you list has a natural grass playing surface for exactlt the same reason as BC Place does not. The non-sporting events make up the bulk of BC Place usage. I can just imagine the damage the boat show and its associated heavy hauling trucks would do to a $5 million drained, irrigated and heated natural grass pitch, especially if the Whitecaps had a game scheduled two days later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 Actually I wasn't referring to grass at all. Grass wouldn't last a season with that kind of use. But it would last a lifetime if properly managed in the 30,000 seat temporary stadium. They're even going to play on grass in Toronto where people actually own parkas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 In Vancouver, snow and cold may not be quite the factor that it is in Toronto, but try playing on a grass field, even a properly engineered and drained one, during some of our wet weekends. Most facility operators close their drained grass fields for days after a downpour in order to preserve them hence the popularity of FieldTurf. As an aside, well do I remember sitting on a snowbank at Lamport Stadium watching my son and his 14 year old cohorts in gloves and toques shovel snow off the carpet so they could have their Ontario All-Star training session on winter weekends. That was the year he suffered sever frostbite in all his toes and was lucky not to lose any. Kids don't know how easy they have it under the bubble nowadays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 Ah the old Lamport astroturf in the 80's. Fibres were a thing of the future back then. The bubble just went up this year and they were still alternating training indoors and outdoors last year. At least when you get to the national level some local Estonian is out there shoveling for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 By the time he made the national level we were living in BC so no local Estonian required thank goodness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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