john tv Posted April 25, 2009 Author Share Posted April 25, 2009 What is the connection between Paul,Gol TV and Carver. Did the phony field created another casualty,since Carver let Dwayne play last Sunday with that hamstring problem,which backfired. Speculation and it all adds up to behind the scene scenarios and only gives the media more animal hay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonovision Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 Is Carver really only 44 (as per CBC article)? He looks like he is 60! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 ^ Alcohol will do that to you after a while [] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 I think all the MLS 4th officials must be celebrating tonight! His wiki profile also says he is 44 but like you I thought he looks much older, maybe not 60 but mid 50s at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 quote:Originally posted by john tv What is the connection between Paul,Gol TV and Carver. Did the phony field created another casualty,since Carver let Dwayne play last Sunday with that hamstring problem,which backfired. Speculation and it all adds up to behind the scene scenarios and only gives the media more animal hay. A poster named Angelo on this board said that Paul James was fired because Carver and some of the other MLSE brass didn't like how critical James was on Mo and TFC on Extra Time last year - once they bought the station he was gone, leaving Gol TV with (currently) no expert analyst in studio. No offense to Lee Godfrey who's very good as a host but isn't able to offer anywhere near the same level of insight as James would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Rollins1555362254 Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 What I've learned so far: http://www.24thminute.com/2009/04/more-to-carver-move-than-meets-eye.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trillium Posted April 26, 2009 Share Posted April 26, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Rudi Yeah, there's so many English lower league castoffs on this team. Rudi... maybe you need to talk to Mo.. he looks to England first calling his old buddies, then when the players hear what he can offer for a salary .. they tell him to pack it in, and he goes to SA or CA to get spots filled on the roster. You may have had a hard on for the Mo and Jo show but it produced nothing of significance on the field. Time will tell if Cummins can step into the role and succeed or if he will fall into same personal failures that appear to have led to Mr. Carvers resignation. Rudi, all your chest beating for TFC wont do any good till they win something be it the Voyageurs Cup, or a playoff spot in the MLS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottawaguy2009 Posted April 26, 2009 Share Posted April 26, 2009 This totally caught me by surprise. I did not see this coming. Wow. I mean he wasn't the greatest coach, but you have to admit he wasn't the worst either. Wow. So who will take over then? Cummins? I quite like the fellow. He strikes me as a guy that's liked by the team and he seems to know his stuff. He managed the team well against Chivas. (or was he simply acting on the advice of Carver for that game?) Anyways. Good luck JC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snake Posted April 26, 2009 Share Posted April 26, 2009 so is nick dasovic the interim coach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted April 26, 2009 Share Posted April 26, 2009 Might be Noocassell related but I've got a sneaking suspicion that he was given the chance to jump before he was pushed. The difference in professionalism from Chris Cummins in handling the media was night and day and some of John Carver's tactical and selection decisions have been bizarre. He wouldn't have made it any further than the winning team gets to start the next game stuff at most British clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJB Posted April 26, 2009 Share Posted April 26, 2009 quote:Originally posted by MediaGuy What I've learned so far: http://www.24thminute.com/2009/04/more-to-carver-move-than-meets-eye.html So Cummins does well with one game, and now has the power to offer an ultimatum? Wow. TFC has started well. This is quite a blow, whether one thinks Carver has done a good job or not. As mentioned, three coaches in three years is a pretty tough way to start. Where is the continuity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted April 26, 2009 Share Posted April 26, 2009 quote:Originally posted by BringBackTheBlizzard Might be Noocassell related but I've got a sneaking suspicion that he was given the chance to jump before he was pushed. The difference in professionalism from Chris Cummins in handling the media was night and day and some of John Carver's tactical and selection decisions have been bizarre. He wouldn't have made it any further than the winning team gets to start the next game stuff at most British clubs. I distinctly remember discussing with Gian-Luca many moons ago (the start of last year, in fact) about my opinion that Mo needed a set-up "fall guy" should things go pear shaped for this team, so JC provided that buffer. We've discussed the importance of this early season home stand and the need to get maximum points, so I can see your point about his being pushed. There was/is a lot of expectation coming into year three, what with DeRo arriving and a playoff spot being the minimum standard for success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted April 26, 2009 Share Posted April 26, 2009 It definitely looked a bit like that at the time. Carver was also someone who would need to rely on Mo's experience of the league while someone with MLS experience might try to sideline Mo and slowly take over both roles but from what I remember they did try to get both Steve Nicol and Paul Mariner before they went with John Carver so an attempt was definitely made to get a well known name in MLS terms. I'd give Chris Cummins until the end of May now to show what he can do and then if need be get someone new in when games are few and far between in June when he still has some time to assess who he does and doesn't want before the guaranteed salaries deadline at the end of June and the opening of the summer transfer window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted April 26, 2009 Share Posted April 26, 2009 quote:Originally posted by BringBackTheBlizzard It definitely looked a bit like that at the time. Carver was also someone who would need to rely on Mo's experience of the league while someone with MLS experience might try to sideline Mo and slowly take over both roles but from what I remember they did try to get both Steve Nicol and Paul Mariner before they went with John Carver so an attempt was definitely made to get a well known name in MLS terms. I'd give Chris Cummins until the end of May now to show what he can do and then if need be get someone new in when games are few and far between in June when he still has some time to assess who he does and doesn't want before the guaranteed salaries deadline at the end of June and the opening of the summer transfer window. Any chance that Mo ends up replacing Cummins? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted April 26, 2009 Share Posted April 26, 2009 Never say never but I doubt it. What I've heard second hand from fan group people who had the most access to TFC management in the first season is that Mo Johnston actually enjoys the GM side of things and there was the whole saga with Bob Gansler wanting formal recognition as being the head coach because of that, which basically confirmed it. Someone like Rudi might have more idea than me though on what things are like now given I am currently sitting in an office building in the northern part of Honshu island in Japan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted April 26, 2009 Share Posted April 26, 2009 ^Gansler...there's a guy I wouldn't mind hearing from down the road, sooner than later, about his experiences at TFC. How long are you in Japan for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted April 26, 2009 Share Posted April 26, 2009 Another year or so but should be back for a few games this summer. Bob Gansler did speak out a bit for what it's worth. Don't have time to track it down but I think there was an article in Soccer America where he was reported to have said (without any direct quotes) that Mo get off easily as TFC's support has a generous layering of Scottish fans or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted April 26, 2009 Share Posted April 26, 2009 quote:Originally posted by BringBackTheBlizzard Another year or so but should be back for a few games this summer. Bob Gansler did speak out a bit for what it's worth. Don't have time to track it down but I think there was an article in Soccer America where he was reported to have said (without any direct quotes) that Mo get off easily as TFC's support has a generous layering of Scottish fans or something like that. I'll see if I can dig it up, thanks. Cheers! Sayonara! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmcmurph Posted April 26, 2009 Share Posted April 26, 2009 Maybe "lack of support from management" wasn't directed at Mo but at MLSE? Just a thought. To be honest he seemed to be getting the team moving in the correct direction this year and I was surprised to hear this. It's not like they lost their first 5 games or have less than 1/5 of the available points so far. We'll have to see if any further details come out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Rollins1555362254 Posted April 26, 2009 Share Posted April 26, 2009 quote:Originally posted by RJB So Cummins does well with one game, and now has the power to offer an ultimatum? Wow. TFC has started well. This is quite a blow, whether one thinks Carver has done a good job or not. As mentioned, three coaches in three years is a pretty tough way to start. Where is the continuity? More like Winsper has the power... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Rollins1555362254 Posted April 26, 2009 Share Posted April 26, 2009 quote:Originally posted by BearcatSA I distinctly remember discussing with Gian-Luca many moons ago (the start of last year, in fact) about my opinion that Mo needed a set-up "fall guy" should things go pear shaped for this team, so JC provided that buffer. We've discussed the importance of this early season home stand and the need to get maximum points, so I can see your point about his being pushed. There was/is a lot of expectation coming into year three, what with DeRo arriving and a playoff spot being the minimum standard for success. Just for the record, if TFC wins tomorrow they move into first place in the East. So, as much as fans would have liked to see more points from the first two home games, it's hardly panic time on the standings front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Rollins1555362254 Posted April 26, 2009 Share Posted April 26, 2009 quote:Originally posted by BearcatSA Any chance that Mo ends up replacing Cummins? I've asked this question a few times today. It always draws nervous laughter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted April 26, 2009 Share Posted April 26, 2009 quote:Originally posted by RJB So Cummins does well with one game, and now has the power to offer an ultimatum? Wow. TFC has started well. This is quite a blow, whether one thinks Carver has done a good job or not. As mentioned, three coaches in three years is a pretty tough way to start. Where is the continuity? Where did Cummins coached before? he is just an other assistant coach as Carver was before getting the job here. TFC is becoming the place of refuge for all the wannabes from England. As long as Mo stays there, TFC will continue to be a circus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted April 26, 2009 Share Posted April 26, 2009 quote:Originally posted by MediaGuy I've asked this question a few times today. It always draws nervous laughter. Yeah, funny how that is.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted April 26, 2009 Share Posted April 26, 2009 Latest from the British media:- http://www.sundaysun.co.uk/sport/newcastle-utd/newcastle-utd-news/2009/04/26/carver-in-a-major-upset-79310-23473525/ Carver told the Sunday Sun: $B!H(BThere is nothing else in the pipeline, and the people at Toronto have been fantastic to me. $B!H(BIt is the MLS with whom I have issues.$B!I(B Having been fined $750 last weekend for criticising refereeing standards in the MLS, Carver ran into further trouble with the authorities in recent days. Having chosen to coach from the stands in Toronto$B!G(Bs midweek win over Chivas, Carver was told he would have to return to pitchside for today$B!G(Bs game against Kansas City. Sounds like they got John Carver's spin on things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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