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    TFC Academy looking for new league

    By Guest, in 24th Minute,

    Toronto FC’s academy is weighing their options for next season.
    CSN has learned from sources within TFC Academy that management is actively looking for alternatives for their youth setup, starting as early as 2013. The news comes only weeks after CBC's report on match-fixing in the Canadian Soccer League.
    [PRBREAK][/PRBREAK]The Montreal Impact have already distanced themselves from the CSL by placing its U17 and U18 teams in the USSF development academy league. They began play for a split 2012-13 season last month.
    Toronto now finds itself in a difficult situation. Although they have said in the past that they are happy with the level of competition in the CSL, the outside concerns are believed to be forcing their hand. The Reds have always taken steps to protect the academy players from being influenced by outside factors while playing in the CSL (not only for match fixing concerns, but also to protect the player’s NCAA eligibility – working with an agent can affect eligibility in American colleges).
    Both Vancouver and Montreal already utilize the American elite development system. That league would represent a step down in quality from the CSL (it’s the difference between playing against men and playing against boys), but it will bring them in line with the rest of MLS. The problem is TFC could not begin USSF DA play until Sept 2013. In the north-east, the league plays a split season, taking a break from the end of November until the start of March and then wrapping up in June.
    They have a showcase/playoff week each July.
    According to a USL insider, that league approached TFC to start a Super-Y team. However, TFC turned down the offer, preferring to look at other options.
    CSN has also learned that TFC has investigated the possibility of joining the new Ontario Soccer League 1 – the proposed semi-pro league that would represent the top of the Ontario pyramid. However, no commitments have been made and it’s unlikely Toronto would go that route until the league is firmly established for next year.
    League 1 still needs to be sanctioned for play by the OSA for 2013.
    Unfortunately, there aren’t a lot of options right now for Toronto and even less time to make them.
    Guest
    Christine Sinclair will face the FIFA discipline committee Friday over the comments she made following Canada's 4-3 loss to the United States in the Olympic semi-final.
    She said the team felt cheated by the referee after the game, implying that she was biased in favour of the United States.
    FIFA has been widely criticized in Canada for "blaming the victim" by going after Sinclair.
    [PRBREAK][/PRBREAK]
    Guest
    Fans asking TFC for information regarding 2013 season seat prices are being told the following.
    [PRBREAK][/PRBREAK]
    Highlighting is CSN's.
    Based on that email response, and that the club is waiting until after the season ends to make the announcement (perhaps to avoid a large scale display in the stands by disgruntled fans), it would appear that a large scale roll back is not likely.
    CSN has made its position clear -- the club needs to make significant concessions on ticket prices if it is to have any hope of regaining the trust of a great deal of its fans.
    Another price freeze is not enough.
    Guest
    <b>KEY PLAYERS :</b>
    ATTACKING
    The Whitecaps need to score in this match against Chivas and with Mattocks unavailable due to injury they will have rely on <b>Kenny Miller</b> to make this happen. He had a very good second half against Seattle with some great touches, including his flick on to Camilo that almost gave the Whitecaps the full three points.
    Chivas have struggled to score goals recently and the only player that seems to be dangerous on their team is winger <b>Miller Bolanos</b>. The Ecuadorian footballer has averaged about five shots a game over the last four but has not been able to find the net on a consistent basis. Despite the off target attempts the Whitecaps will have to pay special attention to this right sided midfielder.
    [PRBREAK][/PRBREAK]
    DEFENCE
    While Rochat would be the obvious option at left back <b>Jordan Harvey</b> has performed adequately for the team, especially on the defensive side. However the Caps need the defender to perform better in the final third by making better decisions and improving his touch around the box.
    There is a history between <b>Danny Califf</b> and the Whitecaps, especially when he would go up against former Cap Eric Hassli. This is a different group of strikers that Califf will face when he goes up against the Caps but expect the American defender to bring his toughness and physical play to the pitch.
    <b>WHO'S ON FORM :</b>
    After a long stay on the injury list <b>Andy O’Brien</b> returned to the line-up to partner with DeMerit and was clearly the strongest of two on the backline. He solidified the defensive play with his calm presence and rarely made a mistake while covering for his partner’s forays into the midfield.
    It is hard to find a player that has performed well during a six game losing streak but if it wasn’t for <b>Dan Kennedy</b> this season, things would be a lot worse for Chivas. The keeper is the leader in MLS when it comes to facing shots as he does not get great support from his backline.
    <b>2012 RECORD :</b>
    Vancouver:
    10W-9D-12L
    5th in Western Conference
    Last Match: 0-0 Draw with Seattle
    Chivas:
    7W-7D-16L
    9th in Western Conference
    Last Match: 4-0 Loss vs Real Salt Lake
    <b>PROJECTED LINE-UPS :</b>

    <b>INJURIES/MISSING :</b>
    Vancouver:
    Out: FW Etienne Barbara (back), MF John Thorrington (hamstring)
    Questionable: FW Darren Mattocks (hamstring)
    Chivas:
    Out: MF Ryan Smith (concussion)
    Doubtful: GK Tim Melia (back)
    Probable: DF Jorge Villafaña (calf), MF Ben Zemanski (ankle)
    <b>GAME ANALYSIS :</b>
    The Vancouver Whitecaps are entering the match against Chivas USA from a more desperate position. They have come to the point of the season where wins are vital and draws are not useful. In order to make the playoffs this game could be considered a must win, if any game will be, since this same Chivas side will be playing FC Dallas twice over their last three games.
    It looks as though Brad Knighton has secured the starting keeper’s spot for the Whitecaps and should have Jay DeMerit partner with Andy O’Brien as the central pairing. Joining them on the outside of the backline will be Lee Young-Pyo on the right and Jordan Harvey on the left side.
    With Thorrington out due to an injury, Matt Watson enters the lineup on the right side of the diamond opposite Gershon Koffie. The two tips will be occupied by Alain Rochat in the holding spot and Barry Robson at the top of the diamond.
    One of the two striker positions will have Kenny Miller slotted there, with the striker having a couple of solid games in a row. With Mattocks out due to an injury the other spot may go to Camilo, but I believe that an alternative option would be Dane Richards as a striker.
    There were times Richards played the striker position during his time in New York and while he doesn’t have the finish of Mattocks, he can provide similar speed that will keep the backline stretched. It also allows Rennie to bring Camilo off the bench, where the Brazilian can provide his scoring prowess.
    The stretching of the defense will allow more space to the midfielders to build up play and try to set up a goal from open play. Because of the lack of wingers in the midfielders in the eleven, the Caps will need their fullbacks to push up the ball and send in more crosses.
    Scoring has been the biggest problem for Chivas USA this season and more recently where they have only scored one goal in the month of September, losing all six games. They have tried to use different formations like the 4-4-2, the 4-2-3-1, the 4-3-3 and others in order to resolve this issue.
    Chivas USA patterns their attack on the RSL model, as Robin Fraser was a former assistant there, which means there is a high priority based on possession in the midfield. The Caps will need to keep the midfield clogged up and not allow their opponents to control the pace of play.
    The coaching staff may not state publically this game a must win but there is no doubt that the team will be in dire straits without one. A full three points will give them some brief breathing space between themselves and FC Dallas in the race to the final spot of the playoffs.
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    Three games to go. Three games to become the first Canadian club to make the MLS playoffs or go down in the history books as a team with an epic collapse.
    For all the spin coming out of Vancouver, going in to the final matches of the season still in with a shot of either making or missing the playoffs is not the position this football club should have been in.
    But here we are.
    They’ve imploded. Who cares about pre-season expectations? What about the expectations of two months ago.
    [PRBREAK][/PRBREAK]
    It’s still in our own hands of course, but it could have been so much worse if it wasn’t for everyone’s least favourites clown haired player doing the business late on in San Jose.
    That was just a horrible game to follow on Saturday night if you were a Caps fan.
    Could we have gone to the Earthquakes and played out of our skin like that, nearly grabbing what would have been a huge three points? Not on current form.
    You can’t say that Dallas want it more. Every player wants to be in the playoffs with their team and wants it just as bad. To say otherwise is ridiculous.
    Dallas however seem to have the fight, passion and self belief to take their play to the next level when it’s needed most. You can also add in the fear factor, as they know they don’t control their own destiny and HAVE to perform. Failure is not an option.
    Maybe Martin Rennie should have been playing up the "must win" aspect to install a fear of god into our players long before now, instead of playing it all down.
    For the Whitecaps ARE now in must win territory.
    You have to expect Dallas to get six points from their two games against Chivas. The Caps have to do the same against Chivas and Portland, and with the Cascadia Cup possibly still being up for grabs for the Timbers, and at the very least Cascadian pride, the latter is not going to be plain sailing in the slightest.
    Whether Dallas can take anything from Seattle, and set up last weekend drama, is now the key.
    Going down to the wire is what the Caps need to avoid. You just sense it wouldn't go well, unless the game means nothing to Real Salt Lake with regards to playoff positioning and they play a weaker side.
    With Dallas playing their final game the day after Vancouver, if the Caps leave the door open they will surely walk in against Chivas and would go into the game knowing just what they need to do.
    That's the nightmare situation for Caps fans – and I'm not talking about actually wanting Seattle to win!
    There’s also been some debate between fans as to how much it matters whether the Caps get in or not.
    On the one hand, it would be a great achievement to become the first Canadian team to accomplish that feat, especially after last year’s debacle. On the other, has it really been worth all the emotional torment if we go out after one game?
    I think it is. Just.
    We certainly don’t look like doing anything in the playoffs but then that’s when some teams find their spark.
    We certainly need to find it from right now to even get there.
    Saturday’s performance against Seattle was alright, but we still didn’t create enough.
    Having been like a Richmond driver in recent weeks (not very good on the road), a lot has been expected of Barry Robson in this four game home stand.
    Saturday’s game was a frustrating one to watch as Robson’s passes were either excellent or poor, with very little anywhere inbetween. He seemed to give the ball away a lot, but the stats seem to indicate about a third of the time. It felt like more.
    Maybe that’s because he had the ball so much and covered one hell of a lot of the pitch. It’s part of his game that many of his critics seem to conveniently miss.
    A lot is being expected of Robson and Koffie to create, but it shouldn’t just be up to them. The rest of the team need to step up too.
    Part of the problem from earlier in the season is that we are missing the runs of Omar Salgado and the impact of the wingplay from Lee and Rochat. Our play on the left in particular is really weak right now.
    Lee had a good game on Saturday on the other wing and was getting forward well and adding good support.
    I feel Rochat is wasted in the middle. He’s doing well there, but is he really that big an improvement on Davidson? And all at the expense of losing the threat on the left.
    Harvey did get himself forward well against Seattle and got into the positions. Unfortunately he then squandered them by poor passes or being too heavy footed. He’s no Alain Rochat where it matters.
    The defence kept their first clean sheet in 13 games. Incredible after the miserly start the team had.
    I like having Andy O’Brien back there.
    He may not have the aggression and off the ball digs of Martin Bonjour, which I both like and get frustrated at, but he provides way better coverage to mop up Jay DeMerit’s mistakes.
    That is one thing which has been missing from the early weeks in the season.
    Jun Marques Davidson was regularly there to cover for DeMerit’s mistakes and to cover to allow Lee and Rochat to pile forward. Bonjour has never been that good at doing that, but O’Brien was excellent at just that on Saturday, as well as marshalling the defence.
    He did a lot of shouting and positional work, especially with Lee. A lot of that will have gone unnoticed by many as the game went on around them. He certainly does a better job than the club captain in that regard.
    Kenny Miller also does a lot of this and again, it's an overlooked part of his play by those keen to criticise him for not scoring every game and not being Eric Hassli.
    Matt Watson had an excellent game when he came on for Sicknote. He should keep his place for tomorrow and it was good to see some fresh desire in the middle.
    The injury to Darren Mattocks might not be as bad a blow to the team as many feel. It also might not be as bad an injury as first feared.
    The absence of Mattocks will hopefully see the team getting away from the constant attack of through balls and over the top balls for Mattocks and Miller to run on to.
    We all know we’re going to do it and so do the opposition.
    Mattocks is expecting it every time and it’s starting to affect the other aspects of his game. His positioning and general off the ball movement is poor.
    I watched him closely on several occasions on Saturday. He always seems to be expecting the long ball or the through ball for him to chase down. Not the short passes behind him.
    Far too often he doesn't see the chance or the need to run off defenders for a different kind of pass. He often has a man either side of him as he anticipates the pass, making it far more difficult to slot the ball through without a defender getting their first.
    Short passes tend to stay behind him and possession is lost.
    We can't play this type of game as well with Miller and shouldn't even be trying. Being forced to look at a different gameplan with Mattocks' injury might be a help rather than a hindrance. Miller and Camilo looked ok in the 4-4-2 formation of the second half and has to be played against a poor Chivas side.
    The Caps badly need a confidence boosting win by a few goals. Those opportunities don't come much better than against the worst in the West, with little to play for.
    Anything but three points on Wednesday evening would be a disaster and likely end our playoff hopes altogether when it's all played out.
    The time is long overdue for the Whitecaps players and management to stand up and be counted, especially if they want to be here next season.
    <center>********************</center>
    <b><u>AFTN 3-2-1 v Seattle:</u></b>
    3 points – GERSHON KOFFIE (An absolutely immense performance from the young star)
    2 points – YOUNG-PYO LEE (Solid at back and showed signs of the attacking runs he showed earlier in the season)
    1 point – MATT WATSON (Came and made a good claim for some regular minutes)
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    Guest

    The CSA's 2014 decision

    By Guest, in 24th Minute,

    Although most of the attention is focused on 2015, the FIFA Women’s World Cup of that year is not the next FIFA event Canada will be hosting.
    As part of the 2015 hosting agreement, Canada is also putting on the 2014 FIFA Women’s u20 World Cup. And, there is a decision that needs to be made soon regarding that event.
    The 2015 World Cup involves 24 teams and requires six host cities. In 2014 there is just 16 teams and only four host cities. So, the CSA needs to trim the six 2015 hosts – Vancouver, Edmonton, Winnipeg, Ottawa, Montreal and Moncton – down to four. They have indicated that the decision will be made by the end of the year.
    Ottawa made things easier by pulling itself out of the running recently. The stadium refurbish in the capital is not expected to be done in time to give the host group their enough time to properly prepare for 2014. So, the CSA only needs to drop one city.
    What criteria needs to be considered?
    [PRBREAK][/PRBREAK]
    The most important consideration should be to remember what the purpose of giving the 2014 u20 World Cup to the senior World Cup hosts is – as a dress rehearsal. The men have the Confederations Cup. This is the women’s equivalent.
    With that in mind it would seem important to give both Winnipeg and Moncton a chance to host. Neither city was involved in the 2007 men’s u20 World Cup, the last time Canada hosted a FIFA event.
    The smaller venues of Winnipeg and Moncton will suit the youth tournament better as well. It’s always better to play in front of small stadiums that are packed than big stadiums that are half empty.
    So, that leaves one of Vancouver, Edmonton and Montreal to drop. Geography will likely put Montreal into the mix – the CSA will probably look to have a western and eastern hub.
    That leaves Vancouver and Edmonton. Both cities have a history of supporting women’s soccer and both would do well in 2014. It’s a coin flip that no one wins.
    However, there might be a solution that includes all five cities.
    Award the two semi-finals, third place game and final to Vancouver – it’s a big, but not too big stadium, has the bigger population and more exhaustive media reach -- and then have that city drop out of consideration for group games. They will have Whitecaps games to fit in anyway, and have lots of hosting experience.
    Instead of tying BC Place up for three weeks, it would probably only be lost to the Caps for a single weekend (semi-final on Wednesday and Thursday, third place game on Saturday night or Sunday morning and final on Sunday night).
    Each of the other four cities would host a group and one quarterfinal. So, Vancouver gets the four biggest games of the tournament, but three less games overall than the other four cities.
    To illustrate, the tournament would look like this:
    Group A - Moncton
    Group B - Montreal
    Group C - Winnipeg
    Group D - Edmonton
    Quarterfinals
    Q1 - A1vB2 - Moncton
    Q2 - C1vD2 - Montreal
    Q3 - B1vA2 - Winnipeg
    Q4 - D1vC2 - Edmonton
    Semi-finals
    S1 – Q1vQ2 - Vancouver
    S2 -- Q3vQ4 - Vancouver
    3rd place game – Vancouver
    Final – Vancouver
    An additional benefit to this format is that it would allow the organizers in Vancouver time to sell ticket packages while the tournament is going on. The momentum of the media coverage would likely help push those four games to sell-outs.
    Guest
    Age cheating has been an unfortunate fact in international youth football. Thankfully, random MRI wrist scans, which started in 2009, have made it difficult in the men's u17 and u20 age groups.
    However, wrist scans are not yet widespread in the women's game, partly because the reliability of the test has not yet been fully determined with female players.
    The lack of consistant testing in the women's game has lead to some to raise questions about the legitimacy of some teams competing at the current FIFA u17 World Cup in Azerbaijan. In particular, the Nigerian team is being accused of using at least one overage player, captain Victoria Aidelomon.
    Nigeria drew Canada 1-1 in the group stage and are one of the favourites to win the championship.
    [PRBREAK][/PRBREAK]
    It's now known that age cheating was widespread in Nigeria prior to the implantation of age scans in 2009. In fairness, lack of reliable birth records does make age verification difficult in some parts of the world, including parts of Africa. However, there is also compelling evidence that suggests that certain countries were willfully dressing older players in an effort to gain a competitive advantage.
    Today on the popular social media website Reddit.com screen captures of Aidelomon's sister's Facebook were posted. Those captures show the sister, Esther, referring to Victoria as her older sister on two occasions.
    Esther Aidelomon is 19.
    You can see the screen capture here.
    A screen capture of another sibling of Victoria was also posted. Blessing Aidelomon is also described as a younger sibling. She graduated university in 2000.
    CSN has contacted both the CSA and FIFA to determine what provisions are in place to ensure that all players at the u17 World Cup are younger than 17. The CSA responded, but referred CSN to speak to FIFA. CSN will update when they respond.
    FIFA has yet to respond.
    Guest
    Canadian Soccer News has learned that two members of the Canadian Soccer Association executive – General Secretary Peter Montopoli and President Victor Montagliani – will travel to Zurich, Switzerland Tuesday to meet with FIFA about the recent match fixing allegations facing the Canadian Soccer League.
    The pair, who will be in Zurich for only a day, are expected to receive an update from the world’s governing body – which will include information directly from Germany where the original case arose – and direction on how to proceed with possible sanctions, police involvement and suspensions.
    This will be the first major action by the CSA, who has come under increased criticism of late for being soft in their response to the CBC documentary that clearly outlined how Croatian fixers had infiltrated the CSL and what their future plans for that league might be.
    Meanwhile, as members of the CSL continue to deny there is a problem, Declan Hill, author of The Fix, has pointed out how Canada remains the only country of the seven touched by this scandal, which involved Croatian match fixers in Germany, that has yet to see their own FA take action.
    For the CSA’s part, they find themselves in an awkward, ongoing dance with FIFA.
    [PRBREAK][/PRBREAK]
    In one hand, they have FIFA instructing them that they must follow their procedures for dealing with match fixing allegations. It’s a long drawn out process and one that will not likely result in any kind of speedy action. In the FIFA 2012 statutes, articles 13, 68 and 69 in particular outline how Sepp Blatter and Co. expect an FA to act when dealing with such matters. The CSA’s own bylaws (article 9 and 43) also seem set up to prevent them from taking unilateral action.
    In the other hand, you have the CSA charging headlong towards hosting the Women’s World Cup in 2015 and dancing a tight rope towards hosting the Men’s World Cup in 2026. The last thing they’re trying to do right now is upset their politically fussy dance partner by going off in their own direction. In the ballroom of global football, FIFA is the only one allowed to lead.
    The CSA simply doesn’t have the clout, or frankly the nerve, to step out on their own at this point. And if the goal is to host major events that could have a lasting positive effect on the soccer infrastructure, it’s hard to blame them for (excuse the term) hedging their bets.
    That’s not to say they are without fault. As CSN has shown before, as the sanctioning body for the CSL, they failed in their responsibilities to ensure standards were being kept.
    Recently FIFPro, the worldwide organization for pro footballers, released a fascinating document on the risks of playing in Eastern Europe and how the conditions there have led to match fixing vulnerabilities. What stands out - and can be held as a take away for the CSL’s situation - is the co-relation that FIFpro found between player’s having their salaries docked, not paid in full or bonuses left unpaid and being approached to consider match fixing.
    In the FIFpro document they show that 55 per cent of all the players who did not receive their salary on time were approached to consider match fixing. Among players who have been approached to consider fixing the result of a match, there are 38.6 per cent of those who have been a victim of a violent act.
    Last year, CSN reported how a number of players had come forward to discuss the conditions they experienced in the CSL. Those who were receiving salaries told stories of excessive fines - levied against players for trivial infractions such as being late for practice - which essentially, when accumulated, negated much of their pay. Those players, who had asked to remain anonymous for fear of reprisal, stated simply that this practice was common among a number of teams in the league (but not all).
    It would be unfair to cast the entire CSL in that light. There are a few teams who are meeting the CSA standards for D3 and pay their players on time and in full. You can find that list here. Unfortunately, for the remainder who are not meeting the standards, they have unknowingly created a fertile ground that, as FIFpro has shown (and a CSL player previously attested to) is ripe for match fixers to operate.
    Couple that with the reporting the CBC has already done and there is little question that the CSA is now faced with some difficult decisions.
    Their options are they can do nothing – or rather move so slowly in accordance with FIFA – and risk letting this issue slip to the back burner where it has already gone unchecked for three years. Or they can take immediate action – essentially charging ahead without FIFA’s lead – and risk losing favour with the governing body as they push forward with plans for hosting World Cup's in 2015 and beyond.
    For the CSA and the CSL the answer won't be a black and white one but this country's governing body needs to find a way to move out of the murky gray area this whole episode has left them in.
    Guest
    Vancouver Whitecaps kept their playoff hopes hanging by a thread last night following a scoreless draw at home to Seattle Sounders.
    The Caps maintained their two point advantage over Dallas after the Texas side conceded in the 95th minute in San Jose for a 3-3 draw, in a game which they had led twice in the last 18 minutes.
    Things could be looking a lot different for the Caps had Camilo Sanvezzo's last second effort been a foot to the right. As it is, if Vancouver go on to miss the playoffs now, the Brazilian has probably provided the season defining moment with his late miss.
    The only consolation for Vancouver is that at least they still control their own fate.
    [PRBREAK][/PRBREAK]
    Cascadia Cup games in MLS have not proved a happy hunting ground for the Whitecaps and so it proved again.
    Both sides enjoyed periods in the ascendency but both also seemed flat for a lot of the match. You want passion, fight and a bit of niggle in these local derbies.
    The mood could have been set in the opening minutes when Jay DeMerit delivered a forearm smash to the face of Fredy Montero in the box. Who hasn't wanted to do that at some point? The referee obviously agreed.
    This didn't set the tone unfortunately and apart from the odd flashpoint here and there, it was all a bit of a normal MLS match.
    Seattle had the better chances early, with Osvaldo Alonso hitting a low drive just inches past the left hand post in the 12th minute.
    They came close again two minutes later after Gershon Koffie hesitated and allowed a quick break from a Vancouver corner. Mauro Rosales whipped in a dangerous cross from the left, but Brad Evans just couldn't get proper contact on it from seven yards out.
    Vancouver slowly started to get themselves back into the game, but were forced to make a change when John Thorrington picked up yet another injury and was replaced by Matt Watson.
    Some good Caps build up play in the 30th minute saw a strong Koffie slip the ball through to Darren Mattocks, but Jeff Parke managed to knock it off his foot for a corner before he could get off a shot.
    Mattocks and Parke were in the thick of the action again with eight minutes of the half remaining.
    Kenny Miller played a through ball to Mattocks and as he got goalside of Parke, the Jamaican went to ground with no contact. Referee Silviu Petrescu correctly waved away penalty claims but Mattocks was left face down in the box clutching his hamstring.
    He was soon off the pitch in clear pain and replaced by Camilo Sanvezzo.
    The last action of the half came four minutes into stoppage time when Barry Robson laid out Montero with a fierce 35 yard free kick.
    Both sides would have been happy to head in at the interval on level terms, but having made two substitutions already, Vancouver were needing the players they currently had to step up their game big time in the second half.
    Alain Rochat nearly got the half off to a great start for the Caps three minutes in when his 30 yard strike wrongfooted Michael Gspurning in the Seattle goal and he could only palm it away one handed. Camilo was quick to pounce on the rebound but had no support in the box and the danger was cleared.
    Seattle responded immediately and Eddie Johnson blasted over from close range.
    Johnson forced Brad Knighton into a low save at his near post in the 54th minute, but both teams were struggling to create any clear cut chances.
    Vancouver tried to force something and a goalmouth scramble in the Seattle box involving Koffie, Miller and Watson, ended with the English midfielder's shot being deflected for a corner in the 64th minute.
    Seattle came the closest yet to breaking the deadlock with eleven minutes remaining when Y-P Lee kicked a Parke volley from a corner off the goal-line, with Knighton beaten.
    Johnson had another chance four minutes later, heading wide after some good build up play from Montero.
    The action finally started to pick up in the closing minutes.
    Vancouver won a free kick in the 87th minute and the Seattle defence could only head Harvey's kick into the path of Robson on the edge of the box. The Scot took a touch and played a neat pass inside to Miller, but his countryman's shot was deflected for a corner.
    Two minutes later and Seattle sub Steve Zakuani collected the ball, turned and hit a deflected 20 yard shot towards goal which Knighton could only parry, but was quick to get up and collect the rebound.
    As the game moved into stoppage time, DeMerit found himself with the ball at the edge of the Seattle box, but hit a weak shot which was easily held by Gspurning.
    With seconds remaining, Vancouver had one last break to try and find the winner and they came the wrong side of the post in finding it.
    A tenacious Watson backheeled the ball to Robson, who sent a dangerous ball into the box towards Miller. Camilo was open to his right and whether by luck or intent, Miller flicked the perfect header into his path, only for the Brazilian to shoot the wrong side of the left hand post and inches away from what would have been a vital three points.
    It was a miss that could yet prove to be the difference between Vancouver making the playoffs and agonisingly falling just short.
    With three games left to play, Vancouver are clinging on to that final playoff spot by their fingertips. Every week though, Dallas are loosening their grip ever so slightly.
    Now we'll see just what this Whitecaps team is made of.
    FINAL SCORE: Vancouver Whitecaps 0 - 0 Seattle Sounders
    ATT: 21,000 (sell out)
    VANCOUVER: Brad Knighton; Young-Pyo Lee, Andy O'Brien, Jay DeMerit, Jordan Harvey; Alain Rochat, John Thorrington (Matt Watson 17), Gershon Koffie, Barry Robson; Kenny Miller, Darren Mattocks (Camilo Sanvezzo 42) [subs Not Used: Joe Cannon, Martin Bonjour, Jun Marques Davidson, Russell Teibert, Atiba Harris]
    SEATTLE: Michael Gspurning; Adam Johansson, Jeff Parke, Jhon Kennedy Hurtado, Leo Gonzalez; Mauro Rosales (Steve Zakuani 70), Osvaldo Alonso, Christian Tiffert, Brad Evans (Andy Rose 74); Fredy Montero, Eddie Johnson [subs Not Used: Andrew Weber, Marc Burch, Mario Martinez, Zach Scott, Sammy Ochoahere]
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    Guest

    Investigating a myth

    By Guest, in 24th Minute,

    There is a rumour circulating through TFC fan circles that suggests that the appointment of Paul Mariner as head coach has caused several of the Reds best prospects to flee the academy.
    The suggestion is that Mariner has interfered with the tactics and coaching at the academy level and that parents are pulling out because they feel that their son’s development is being hampered by Mariner.
    If that were happening it certainly would be troubling. Let’s look and see if it is.
    [PRBREAK][/PRBREAK]
    This is TFC’s senior academy today:
    Stephen Almeida
    Adam Bradshaw
    Sergio Camargo
    Christian Campanella
    Angelo Cavalluzzo
    Daniel Di Biaggio
    Roberto Galle
    Nathan Ingham
    Ryan James
    Mario Kovacevic
    Chris Mannella
    Omari Morris
    Jordan Murrell
    Mario Orestano
    Tyler Pasher
    Nikola Paunic
    Boyd Reid
    Deon Rose
    Skylar Thomas
    Ryan Sciacchitano
    James Stamotopolous
    Michael Wagenknecht
    TFC’s senior academy line-up at the start of the season is listed below. Bold denotes that the player is still in the academy.
    Stephen Almeida
    Adam Bradshaw
    Sergio Camargo
    Christian Campanella
    Angelo Cavalluzzo*
    Daniel Di Biaggio
    Roberto Galle*
    Nathan Ingham**
    Ryan James**
    Mario Kovacevic*
    Chris Mannella*
    Omari Morris**
    Jordan Murrell**
    Mario Orestano*
    Tyler Pasher
    Nikola Paunic*
    Boyd Reid**
    Deon Rose
    Skylar Thomas**
    Ryan Sciacchitano*
    James Stamotopolous**
    Michael Wagenknecht
    So, no one has left.
    That doesn't mean their aren't prospects concerned about the overall direction of of the club. What it does mean is that you shouldn't believe every urban myth you hear.
    One factor that might lead someone to believe that the academy is losing players is that several players have left to play in university or community college soccer. In those cases TFC continues to hold the player's MLS rights.
    * Playing post-secondary soccer in Canada
    ** Playing post-secondary soccer in the United States
    Guest
    Christopher Vose is AFTN's photographer and here is a gallery of some of his photos from the Cascadia Cup clash between Vancouver Whitecaps and Seattle Sounders on Saturday September 29th.
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    For a full high quality slideshow of all of Christopher's Seattle photos, click <a href="
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    (and we all know what happened next...)
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    You can view all of Christopher's Whitecaps photographs at <a href="http://www.consulphotography.com" target="_blank"><b>ConsulPhotography.com</b></a>.
    Be sure to check his photos daily, as he is will have regular shots up from training, as well at Caps matches at all levels.
    All of his photos are copyrighted and cannot be used without his permission.
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    Guest
    To those who'd suggest there is no uniform "Canadian style of play" when it comes to international soccer, may I humbly suggest the following...
    The Canadian style of play in international soccer is to always, always make things more difficult than they need to be.
    Whether it's through squandered scoring chances, predictable defensive breakdowns or some new and exciting means of creating excruciating tension, Canadian teams -- men's and women's, across all age groups -- sure do have a knack for making the opposition look good.
    It's in this spirit that we celebrate Canada's victory over the host, Azerbaijan, at the U17 Women's World Cup, a result that sends the Baby Reds into the quarterfinals against North Korea.
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    Saturday's match was Canada's 10th, in the three editions of the U17 Women's World Cup, and never in those 10 matches has Canada scored more than once. The game against Azerbaijan -- who had lost their previous two games 11-0 and 4-0, and didn't even have a women's program until several years ago -- seemed the perfect opportunity to break that ignominious streak.
    And sure, the game could have been 4-0, 6-0 even 10-0 for Canada, if not for a combination of fine saves from the young Azerbajiani goalkeeper, last-second defensive interventions and outright whiffs from Canadian attackers. In the end, it was Valerie Sanderson's rebounded goal, early in the second half, that was the difference. And a win is a win, I guess.
    Now, let's be clear about what this tournament is, and isn't. It's a World Cup in name, but the competitors are teenagers, many of whom will not go on to long and illustrious careers in the sport. Many teams -- Canada among them -- have little preparation time, and the level of familiarity between players (who, again, are 17, 16 or even 15 years old) is, naturally, not going to be especially strong.
    There were moments in the game that suggested some of these players, if given more time to develop, could correct some of the errors we witnessed. The timing of runs can be altered, with experience. Composure on the ball can be gained, with experience. More clinical finishing can be gained, with experience. And if some of these Canadian players have more time to grow together on and off the field, perhaps the "could have been blowouts" will turn into actual blowouts.
    But to ignore the fact that other teams seemingly have developed many of these characteristics already would be to willfully stick our heads in the sand. Nigeria beat Azerbaijan 11-0. Gambia lost to North Korea and France by scorelines of 11-0 and 10-2. Japan beat Brazil 5-0. Perhaps these scores speak to the ongoing lack of global parity in the women's game, and it's important to remember that youth tournaments aren't always predictive of future success or expectations.
    The point being, blowouts do exist at this age group and in this tournament. Saturday's game should have been one of them, and it wasn't. Whether it's down to individual on-field decisions, the coach's tactics, player selection, the entire Canadian development system or some combination of all of the above, the reality is that if Canada is to have a chance against North Korea in the quarterfinal, something will need to change drastically between now and Thursday.
    Can we realistically expect that? Stranger things have happened. And to be fair, a second-place finish behind Nigeria in this group is probably what most followers would have expected at the start of this tournament. So Canada, thus far, has done what it's needed to do -- but just barely.
    Also, despite the all-too-narrow scoreline, there was reason for optimism emanating from the game. Ashley Lawrence once again looked dominant in midfield, while fellow mid Rebecca Quinn showed some good ball distribution skills. Elissa Neff, earning her first start, brought plenty of energy, while Nichelle Prince demonstrated the pace that makes her dangerous up front, and Madeline Iozzi added a dimension to the attack with her runs and crosses from the left back position.
    Yes, as has been said, this game could have been much more lopsided. Canada held the strong advantage in possession throughout the entire game, earned a dozen corner kicks and was creating havoc around the Azerbaijan goal for much of the encounter. But then, this fits neatly into our established "Canadian style of play", doesn't it? Lots of potential, lots of chances, lots of coulds, woulds, shoulds... thing is, in the cruel reality of sport, potential and two bucks will get you a cup of coffee. All that matters in international competition is results.
    Amid all of this doom and gloom, let's remember a result is what Canada did get. A win. Advancement to the quarterfinals. An achievement of sorts, to be sure, even if it was gained in less than convincing fashion. For all of these players, a chance to further develop their skills under greater pressure, and with more at stake.
    For some, the ones who'll go on to advance in the Canadian system, an opportunity to prepare themselves for the battles ahead in years to come. For others, the ones for whom this tournament represents the pinnacle of their progress, an experience to remember and cherish for a lifetime.
    There's no doubt the players on the field, wearing the Canadian jersey, will give it their all in Thursday's quarterfinal against the powerful North Korean side. And let's not kid ourselves -- despite this dire synopsis of Saturday's narrow result against lowly Azerbaijan, Canada could still get a victory in that match, if the stars align and if circumstances conspire to give the Canadians the little advantages that make the big difference.
    It all starts, though -- as it always does for Canada -- with not making things so damned hard on themselves.
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    Guest
    Ok, let’s get all the clichés out of the way first.
    It’s crunch time. Every point counts. This is the business end of the season. It’s squeaky bum time. It’s all in the Caps’ own hands now.
    All very true.
    Vancouver Whitecaps head into today's Cascadia Cup clash with Seattle in a slump that they are showing no real signs of getting out of. What better time for them to get out of it than in a derby game?
    To do that though, there are a number of statistical challenges that they need to turn around pretty quickly.
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    If results don’t go the Caps way this Saturday, they could find themselves out of a playoff spot for the first time since week 6, which would be a pretty huge confidence crusher with just three games of the season to go.
    We all have our theories as to why the Caps are where they currently are, whether it be tactics, personnel changes, management decisions or a broad combination of all three.
    There’s been a lot of good discussions elsewhere about this, so we wanted to delve into the cold hard facts and actually get into the numbers and not away from them for a change.
    What specific areas are we falling short in? Well it's not just the obvious answers of putting the ball in the back of the net and keeping it out of our own, especially late on.
    So we present to you Vancouver's Dirty Dozen – 12 statistical reasons why the Whitecaps are fighting for their playoff lives:
    <u><b>Shooting Blanks :</b></u>
    Only two teams have scored less goals than the Whitecaps this season in all of MLS. Those teams are basement dwellers Chivas and Philadelphia. If you're not scoring, then you're not going to be doing much else, as we're now finding out.
    <u><b>The Flaw Of Averages :</b></u>
    Vancouver have the second worst Goals For average at 1.03. Only Chivas are worse at 0.72. A single goal a game side is not one that makes the post-season on most occasions.
    <u><b>Shot Shy :</b></u>
    Of course, you also can't score if you don't have any shots and Vancouver have the second lowest shots in all of MLS this season with 318, just three higher than bottom placed Philadelphia.
    <u><b>Net Allergy :</b></u>
    Of those shots, the Caps rank third worst with actual shots on goal.
    Clearly the whole team are suffering from net allergies.
    <u><b>Making A Difference :</b></u>
    Vancouver's goal difference is currently minus nine. That's the worst goal difference for any of the ten teams in the playoff spots by a huge 14 goals.
    Only three teams have worse goal differences in MLS - Chivas, Portland and TFC. And we know how crap they are.
    Dallas have minus three. Way to throw away that decider with everyone and make that magic number a further point away.
    <u><b>The First Cut Is The Deepest :</b></u>
    Vancouver have conceded the first goal in 12 games this season. Out of those 36 points at stake, the Caps have only managed to turn games around three times, earning a meager five points from one win and two draws. If our opponents score first, we're doomed. Where's our fight?
    <u><b>Halftimes Oranges Losing Zest :</b></u>
    On a similar note, if the Caps go in at the half trailing, which they have done seven times this season, then Martin Rennie's team talks don't seem to count for much. We've managed no wins and only one draw from those seven matches.
    Counter that with the fact of never losing any of the six games we've led at the half.
    We need to score early and keep it till half time, for if our opponents head for the dressing room in the ascendency, we ain't turning it around. Are we a team that can hold on but are clueless in how to respond to adversity?
    <u><b>Road Kill :</b></u>
    Vancouver's road woes were well documented last season. Three wins is a marked improvement but the Caps have the worst road record of any of the ten teams in the playoff spaces, and the sixth worst in the entire League.
    Dallas have slightly better and with them having two away games in this final stretch, that could prove important.
    <u><b>Unlucky Seven :</b></u>
    Keeping on the away misery, the Caps are currently on a seven game losing streak on the road (nine games unbeaten at home though).
    If you can't get some wins, then you'll do nothing even if you make the playoffs.
    It is the second worst record in MLS this year, with only Colorado worse on nine.
    If the Caps playoff hopes rest on getting something in that final game of the season away to Salt Lake, then it's not a game we're going to go into with much confidence.
    <u><b>Low Five :</b></u>
    Only TFC (9) and Colorado (6) have lost more matches in a row than the Caps recent five game losing streak. Their streaks at least came earlier in the season and not when a team with playoff ambitions really needs to be hot.
    <u><b>Clocking Out Early :</b></u>
    A lot of the points dropped by the Whitecaps have come courtesy of late goals, as the team seem to have sent their brains out of the stadium to try and beat the traffic.
    12 goals have now been conceded in the last 15 minutes of matches. The phrase "the full ninety" is clearly not one that Caps players seem to understand.
    <u><b>Temper, Temper :</b></u>
    Two of the five most cautioned players in MLS are Whitecaps - Dane Richards with 9 and Gershon Koffie with 8. Darren Mattocks is making that late charge for the dishonours.
    Richards may have picked up a lot of his in New York, but it still costs the Caps. He is joint second in the League in fouls committed and Koffie isn't far behind.
    A major key to a winning side, and a playoff spot clinching side, is consistency. How can the Whitecaps get that when nearly every game one of their key players is sitting in the stands?
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    So those are a dozen reason as to why the Whitecaps find themselves in the current mess they are in and clinging onto a playoff spot.
    I'm sure you could come up with a dozen more non statistical ones.
    These though are what the team has to work on and start changing immediately.
    It's all a numbers game now. In more ways than one.
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    Guest
    <b>KEY PLAYERS :</b>
    ATTACKING
    After going through a tough spell during the club’s long road trip <b>Barry Robson</b> seemed to recapture the form he displayed during parts of the early summer. The pass made by him to Kenny Miller for his goal was perfect and showed the skill that the Scottish DP possesses. While he will spend most of the match in the middle of the park, there will be times when Robson will move out wide where he can provide crosses.
    After missing the majority of last and this season from a major injury, <b>Steve Zakuani</b> has started the last four games and even contributed last week with his first goal. The former first overall pick from Akron is still working to the level he was at before the injury and when he does return to top form Zakuani is a dynamic left wing who is capable of scoring and being a playmaker from the left side.
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    DEFENCE
    It is still undecided as to who will start at the left back position as <b>Alain Rochat</b>, the normal starter, may be needed in another spot on the pitch. If Rochat is to start he will need to use his physicality to get Rosales off his game (if he recovers from his quad injury) and his attacking ability to force Rosales to defend instead of create.
    If the Caps are to create chances up the middle they will need to go through <b>Osvaldo Alonso</b> who is one of the best holding midfielders in MLS. While he has only scored once this season the Cuban player is very dangerous going forward as well his normal defensive prowess.
    <b>WHO'S ON FORM :</b>
    The Caps needed someone to step it up last week against the Rapids and <b>Gershon Koffie</b> provided the spark in different ways. He made a fantastic move off the wing to set up the first goal and then played a great through ball from a deep position to Robson who found Miller for the second.
    A thorn in the side of the Whitecaps, <b>Freddy Montero</b> has been strong lately, scoring eight times and assisting on two others in the last ten games. The defenders will have to pay special attention to the Colombian as he had great success against the Whitecaps, with four goals and an assist in the last three games.
    <b>2012 RECORD :</b>
    Vancouver:
    10W-8D-12L
    5th in Western Conference
    Last Match: 2-2 Draw with Colorado
    Seattle:
    13W-9D-7L
    4th in Western Conference
    Last Match: 2-1 Loss vs San Jose Earthquakes
    <b>PROJECTED LINE-UPS :</b>

    <b>INJURIES/MISSING :</b>
    Vancouver:
    Out: MF Dane Richards (suspended)
    Questionable: FW Omar Salgado (foot)
    Seattle:
    Out: FW Babayele Sodade (knee), DF Andrew Duran (knee)
    Questionable: DF Patrick Ianni (adductor), MF Michael Seamon (back)
    Probable: MF Mauro Rosales (quad), MF Christian Tiffert (ankle)
    <b>GAME ANALYSIS :</b>
    On Saturday Vancouver Whitecaps hope to beat a Cascadian rival, something they have yet to accomplish since they arrived in MLS. The match against the Seattle Sounders will be their ninth attempt in the last two seasons, with three draws and five losses in eight games. Their last victory in a Cup match was 2009 against Portland and their last one against Seattle was in 2008, when both teams were at the Division 2 level.
    There could be a formation change upcoming against Seattle as Vancouver's switch to a 4-4-2 at halftime against Colorado seemed to light a spark for the attack. The two strikers in this formation would be Darren Mattocks, who the Sounders had difficulty dealing with him in the first meeting of the season, and Kenny Miller.
    In the midfield Barry Robson and Gershon Koffie will form the partnership in the middle while the wide areas have a few more questions to it. With Dane Richards serving a one game suspension due to yellow card accumulation, the Whitecaps should go to a couple of players that will be able to serve the strikers and start Omar Salgado on the left while Russell Teibert on the right if both are fully healthy. If health is an issue then other candidates could be Camilo, Atiba Harris or John Thorrington to play the wing spots.
    The backline needs Alain Rochat to return to the left back position and bring his skill and toughness to the wide areas. The central defending pair should be Martin Bonjour and Jay DeMerit, who needs to bounce back from a poor performance. While Rennie has claimed that the keeper position is undecided, there is no doubt that Brad Knighton has done nothing in the last two games to deserve to return to the bench for Joe Cannon.
    In the last game the Whitecaps showed that they can be successful in creating attack chances if there is better service from the midfield. The two players that brought the creativity to the forefront was Robson and Koffie but if they don’t get help from the wide areas then the Sounders will just clog up the middle. They will continue to need their full backs to add to the attack, something that has been lacking in the last few games.
    Earlier in the week, the Whitecaps <a href="
    " target="_blank">tweeted</a> that Kenny Miller would score more goals if they provide more chances for the striker. If the coaching staff wishes to accomplish that then they will need to insert the right players into the starting eleven. While Camilo is a threat to score from the wing, he has very little ability to send in a decent ball into the box from open play. The team has also tried veterans John Thorrington and Atiba Harris with little success, but with Dane Richards out due to suspension they may have to turn to one of those vets.
    The best options to provide service for the strikers are a couple of young players, Omar Salgado and Russell Teibert, who may or may not be 100%. Both teenage players have the skillset to attack the middle and provide crosses from the wide areas which will keep the defenders honest in their play.
    While the Sounders are strong down the middle, the Whitecaps have consistently suffered from open play crosses from mostly Mauro Rosales. It seems like the Argentine is always starting the attack from the right side and has created a nice chemistry with Eddie Johnson. He may not have fully recovered from a quad injury, which could be a big bonus for the Caps.
    The Whitecaps need this win not only for the playoff run but also to prove they belong in the conversation with the Timbers and the Sounders. Except for a couple of flashes, Vancouver at this point has not been competitive against their rivals in head to head matchups, which makes them an afterthought in the Cascadia landscape.
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    By Mike Crampton
    Say what you will about Toronto FC – clearly, there is a lot to say – the team has had its moments. It might feel illusory but four consecutive Canadian Championships and a deep run in the CONCACAF Champions League did actually happen. Six long league seasons with only the barest hint of possible playoff participation, the last three spent going backwards, have lead to a sense of unparalleled defeat among Reds supporters that may take years to recover from but, unbelievable to some, it can be argued that Toronto’s had it better than New York.
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    Long suffering MetroBulls supporters in New York will all tell a similar story: constant management changes, years in a hard to get to stadium with antagonistic security staff, a big spending and seemingly ambitious club that never seems to actually accomplish anything, and the residing suspicion that, even when times are better, you’re not supporting nothing more than an elaborate marketing vehicle rather than authentic sports organization. Some of those complaints will sound familiar to Toronto supporters, but MLS started in New York in 1996 and fans there have still not seen their team lift a major trophy. Then, in 2009, things really hit their nadir.
    Coming off an unexpected run to the MLS Cup Final the year before the Red Bulls had a disastrous season. Five wins out of 30 is pretty much as bad as Toronto FC has been in 2012. Incredibly, by virtue of their MLS Cup Finalist status, the 2009 Bulls even got to compete in the second ever CCL until they were eliminated over two legs in the qualifying round by W Connection FC of Trinidad and Tobago. In comparison, Paul Mariner may have failed to get a result at home against Santos Laguna, but even his highly divisive tactics and injury riddled team managed to ease Toronto FC through two games against CD Aguila. Of course, Toronto supporters will by and large only remember the final game of the Red Bulls’ 2009 season.
    TFC’s meltdown in the last MLS game played in Giants Stadium is a night many Reds fans want to forget but, ever since, the two clubs have seemed to go in opposite directions. It’s worth noting that the turnaround in New York had actually started a little bit earlier under interim manager Richie Williams – a fact that escaped Toronto supporters tuning in for what most expected to be a coronation that rain soaked late October evening – but the effect is too poetic to ignore. So much of what has happened in Toronto since has its genesis in that 5-0 thrashing. So much of the seething frustration -- that always threatens to boil over into rage -- and owner MLSE’s flailing attempts to keep the fan base on side can be traced to that game.
    Of course, it hasn’t been all roses in New York either. Yes, the Red Bulls play in a spiffy new building (with a roof!). Yes, head coach Hans Backe has nearly completed his third full season in charge. Yes, the Bulls have made the playoffs each of the last two years and look set to do again in 2012; they even finished first in the Eastern Conference in 2010 one year removed from their calamitous 2009 season. Fans in the Big Apple can enjoy the world class talents of Thierry Henry and Tim Cahill alongside a solid MLS supporting cast like Kenny Cooper, Dax McCarty, and Joel Lindpere. It’s a level of success, stability, and star power that Toronto fans look upon enviously.
    Yet the Red Bulls have still never actually won anything. The stands at Red Bull Arena are rarely full. After the immediate turnaround in 2010 Hans Backe openly talked about wanting his team to win the Supporter’s Shield, yet they’ve only briefly challenged this season and last. Red Bulls supporters still must deal with jibes about fizzy drink and pop cans and the fact that some people who could be members of their community refuse to accept the team either as a true representative of the city of New York or a meaningful sporting institution.
    Everything is relative. Toronto supporters might think that they’ve had it bad and few would seriously argue that they haven’t! Other fans around the league have had their own struggles before too though and will experience the same in the future. If TFC were to lose 5-0 in New York for the third time in the club’s history Saturday night it might cheer Red Bulls supporters on the evening, but it won’t relieve their anxiety over their club’s chances in the upcoming playoffs. For Toronto supporters, most increasingly anesthetized to the game to game results, it’d just be another loss in a season of losing.
    At this point it’s clear that Toronto FC isn’t going to get better in 2012; that’s a given. Even better performances often seem well beyond the current edition of the team. So, if you still care about Toronto FC and want to watch your team, instead of being frustrated why not recall that there was a time when Toronto fans pitied New Yorkers and that it wasn’t all that long ago? Things change in MLS and they will change again in the future. Where Toronto FC ends up in that reshuffled deck and whether or not they’ll ever be capable of making the playoffs won’t be decided by the result Saturday night. Those are questions that will be answered at another time.
    So why not just enjoy the game?
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